China and the human organ trade

It’s difficult knowing what to think and/or believe in the Age of Bullshit. For the most part, I don’t believe anything I don’t see for myself. My standard reply when ask what I think about almost any sort of bullshit is “I don’t know. I wasn’t there”.

Unfortunately there’s the “where there’s smoke there’s fire” rule. I don’t necessarily subscribe to it. Sometimes, though, things have that proverbial “ring of truth” to them. The latest goings on in China, as reported by Falon Gong members, are unthinkable, unless of course you consider what we know China is capable of. (Remember Tiananmen Square?) It has the ring requiring a second look, at least from me.

China is said to be harvesting the organs of Falon Gong members and using them in their booming organ transplant business. The “donors” are murdered either during the operations or shortly thereafter. I was a little taken aback when the Chinese were slaughtering dogs recently. But taking people’s organs, not to mention their lives, is just mind boggling, even for an American and survivor, so far, of the second Bush administration.

The mainstream media is largely staying away from this one. It’s evident that giant corporations, and their puppet, the U. S. Government, are all China all the time. All that matters to them is the money, and a billion plus Chinese add up to major money. Maybe that’s why the mainstream media is so quiet. I’m sure they dream of one day opening China up to their advertising. For the most part I find the blogosphere’s sense of self-importance comical to pitiful, but maybe this (exposing China) is a case where it’s actually a useful thing.



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10 responses to “China and the human organ trade

  1. I have been following the Falun Gong story since March. I researched this matter after being given a flyer in Chinatown – and I have found many things wrong with this allegation.

    In my humble opinion Falun Gong’s actions not only discredited their own cause, they also unnecessarily detracted from honest examination of China’s human rights record.

    FLG’s nefarious indictment muddles the rational discussion of issues such as China’s legal reform, and Chinese society’s moral and ethical standards on dignity and treatment of the condemned, or even death penalty crossing the cultural divide.

    In that spirit, I would like to bring to your attention some contrarian facts surrounding Falun Gong’s recent media activity:

    (all citations are at the end)

    – Mr. Mike Steketee of The Australian had reported in April US congressional investigation finding the allegation a gross exaggeration. An US Congressional Executive Committee on China (CECC) brief subsquently commented on veracity of Falun Gong’s claim of genocide.

    – US State Department investigated and found the allegation not credible.

    – Harry Wu, director of Laogai Research Foundation in DC, investigated the allegation and found the witness unreliable

    – Melbourn Australia-based dissident Mr. Zhang HeTse has come forward and supported Harry Wu’s finding, while pointing out FLG’s phone call evidence is fake.

    – The hospital Falun Gong accused in reality is a joint venture with a company affaliated with the Malaysian government. Malay officials have documented prior year visit, and the facility has been open to public for years.

    – Mr. David Kilgour, author of a Canadian FLG report and a long time prosecutor, ignored obvious misrepresentation of evidence in his own report that used autopsy photo as evidence or organ harvesting.

    Specifically, Kilgour report Appendix 12, Case 1, involving Mr. Wang Bin. Even according to Falun Gong’s own evidence, an autopsy was performed as part of Mr. Wang’s murder investigation held by local authority.

    However, Kilgour report ignored the misrepresentation and recoreded it as evidence of organ removal, ommitting the fact organ removal by medical examiner during autopsy is routine.

    In reality the photo proves the opposit is true.

    – Mr. Kilgour can not divorce himself from the fact his report is sponsored by a Falun Gong group in Washington DC that is evidentely political.

    In conclusion, while China’s human rights record should be examined, writing allegory of “Schindler’s List” is not the way.

    If we in the west can not be precise with our accusation, only resort of nefarious political indictment and sensational fabrication. Why should anyone take what we say seriousely?


    – US State Department Investigation:

    – Translation of Harry Wu’s open letter regarding his investigation of Falun Gong’s accusation:

    – Comment by Mr. Zhang Hetse on Harry Wu’s open letter (untranslated):

    – Congressional Executive Committee on China brief commented on the reliability of the Kilgour report:

    – Malaysian government document on Sujiatun hospital visit:

    – Kilgour Report, Appendix 12 Case 1, Mr. Wang Bin from a 2000 FAlun Gong article:

    (Additional references available in my blog:

  2. J


    “If we in the west can not be precise with our accusation, only resort of nefarious political indictment and sensational fabrication. Why should anyone take what we say seriousely?”

    They shouldn’t. Judging from the titles of your various blogs, you don’t. Good for you. The wisdom of believing Chinese propaganda over that of the west is questionable, but at least you know which side you’re on.

  3. The National Kidney Foundation has serious concerns with China’s conduct regarding unethical organ transplants and organ theft as in the case of Falun Gong members in China.

    The National Kidney Foundation (NKF) is deeply concerned about recent allegations regarding the procurement of organs and tissues through coercive or exploitative practices abroad, or practices which violate worldwide human rights standards.
    The “Report into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Practitioners in China”, from Canadian human rights attorney David Matas and former Canadian Minister of State David Kilgour, alleges that large numbers of Falun Gong* practitioners in China are being imprisoned and executed for the purposes of organ or tissue donation.

    If these allegations prove true, they represent a systematic and widespread violation of human rights against thousands, or potentially tens of thousands, of innocent persons.
    The National Kidney Foundation is opposed to any persecution of individuals because of their religious or political beliefs. The NKF also remains committed to the principles of informed consent and free choice with regard to the decision about whether to be an organ or tissue donor.

    In addition, any act which calls the ethical practice of donation and transplantation into question should be condemned by the worldwide transplantation community, which seeks to extend and improve the lives of those waiting for a transplant through responsible and ethical means. ”

    Only a handful of pro-commies disagree with the report. The K-M report says:

    “We have concluded that the government of China and its agencies in numerous parts of the Country, in particular hospitals but also detention centers and ‘people’s courts’, since 1999 have put to death a large but unknown number of Falun Gong prisoners of conscience. Their vital organs, including hearts, kidneys, livers and corneas, were virtually simultaneously seized involuntarily for sale at high prices, sometimes to foreigners, who normally face long waits for voluntary donations of such organs in their home countries.

    It appears to us that many human beings belonging to a peaceful voluntary organization made illegal seven years ago by President Jiang because he thought it might threaten the dominance of the Communist Party of China have been in effect executed by medical practitioners for their organs.”

    Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence, but rather the piecing together of all the evidence we have considered. Each portion of the evidence we have considered is, in itself, verifiable and, in most cases, incontestable. Put together, they paint a damning whole picture. It is their combination that has convinced us.”

  4. J, everything I cited came from Google search – US government reports, long time anti-CCP Chinese dissident investigation.

    How about Pulitzer winner from Wall Street Journal, TAM media review from Columbia School of Journalism?

    These are all western sources. They are Chinese propaganda how? It’s ironic that your blog title is “Age of BS”, no disrespect.

  5. J

    bobby – I don’t have any reason to believe anything my government says. Exactly the opposite in fact. Check out my latest post if you have time, and thanks for commenting!

  6. Fair enough. Having protested the Iraq war for years, I don’t blame you.

    How about non-government sources like WSJ, Columbia Journal Review whos articles are critical of the Chinese government? How about long time anti-communist Chinese dissident who have no reason to help Beijing?

    These citations show which side I’m on how?

  7. J

    bobby — if I mis-stated your position, I apologize.

    What do you think Falon Gong is up to then? And why?

  8. anabia

    I’ve been trying to follow this story closely. I’ve even spoken to a former US diplomat who dismissed it all as a fabrication. I wish I knew what to believe these days. Please any one feel free to mail me if you have any information.

  9. Hi J, Epoch Times NY (FLG propaganda outlet) started googlebombing this story in March, IMHO in anticipation of Chinese leader’s April stateside visit. It really is that simple.

    BTW here are more non-US government cites for you, such as rebuttal from long time Chinese activist Harry Wu.

    Wu investigated FLG’s allegation inside China and found it not credible, echoing US State department’s investigation: (page 3)

    As you can see, the hospital FLG fingered is actually partly owned by a Malaysian healthcare company, and is subject to oversight beyond Chinese authority.

    Malay officials have visited the alleged site in previous year; the place has been open to public for years.

  10. Hey guys,

    I thought you might be interested in reading this piece about Bobby Fletcher/Charles Liu who’s commented on your blog. He’s been all over the blogosphere discrediting the organ harvesting report. Have a look.

    Western Standard (Alberta): Sowing Confusion; Embarrassed by reports of live organ harvesting, China’s sympathizers launch a high-tech disinformation campaign

    April 9, 2007 Monday
    Final Edition

    HEADLINE: Sowing Confusion; Embarrassed by reports of live organ harvesting,

    China’s sympathizers launch a high-tech disinformation campaign

    BYLINE: Kevin Steel, Western Standard

    He posts his messages everywhere under several different names on Internet blogs and discussion groups. He writes letters to the editor anywhere and sends e-mails to anyone–anyone who might take seriously shocking evidence that the Chinese government “harvests” and sells live organs from political prisoners. His main message is that the Falun Gong–the group which first brought evidence of live organ harvesting to light–and the Epoch Times newspaper that broke that story are spreading propaganda against China’s Communist government. And he’s not even Chinese. He is Charles Liu, a 40-year-old Taiwanese-born technology consultant who lives in Issaquah, Wash., and does business in China.

    Liu has been so active and so pro-Beijing in his writings that some Falun Gong supporters–in particular Epoch Times reporter Jana Shearer–have accused him of being an agent for the Chinese government, waging a disinformation campaign against them, trying to confuse people, and deliberately wasting everyone’s time.

    It’s a charge that upsets Liu, who dismisses it as “a bunch of kooky friends making unfounded accusations. It’s just a bunch of blog BS.” As for why he devotes so much energy to attacking the Falun Gong and the organ harvesting allegations, he says, “My position is that I simply don’t agree with their brand of politics, because I observed their politics turning from anti-Communist party, to anti-China, . . . and recently it’s morphed into this anti-Chinese hysteria and that’s going to be hurting people,” he says. As an Asian-American, he says he decided to speak up.

    He doesn’t really explain, when asked, why he started a blog last year called “The Myth of Tiananmen Square Massacre” under the name of Bobby Fletcher (one of his online aliases, which he also uses to comment on the Western Standard’s online blog). On that blog, he pushes the minimal 250 casualty figure that the Chinese government has always maintained died that night in 1989 (more reliable estimates put the figure at at least ten times that).

    Liu’s actions mirror disinformation campaigns waged by the Chinese government in the past. Typically, these include the deliberate spreading of false or misleading facts to sow confusion or doubt among the conflicting accounts. The classic example is the Tiananmen Square massacre; the Chinese government has maintained that no one died in the square itself, that there was only pushing and shoving on the streets around the square, resulting in a few military casualties. Overseas, the CCP relies on its United Front Work department, part of the Chinese intelligence service, to propagate its message. During the Cold War, the Soviets employed many overseas flunkies through their Disinformation Department.

    Former Canadian MP David Kilgour, who co-authored a report on China’s macabre organ harvesting industry, has received many propaganda e-mails from Liu. For instance, Liu has written repeatedly that a U.S. congressional committee looked into the organ harvesting allegations and found nothing.

    “[David] Matas and I gave evidence to that subcommittee and got support from both the Republican chairman and the Democratic vice-chair,” says Kilgour. “I just came to the conclusion he was trying to waste my time, and I have other things to do.”

    Winnipeg-based human rights lawyer, and Kilgour’s co-author, David Matas, really doesn’t know what to make of Liu. “I don’t know who he is, but what he does is spend a lot of time replicating nonsense to defend the Chinese government,” Matas says.

    The only concern Matas has is that Liu seems to know who he and Kilgour met with in the United States to discuss their report. Matas discovered Liu had sent e-mails to politicians–and their staff–prior to the meetings. “The only people who would have that information would potentially be the Chinese government. I can’t imagine how Liu would know we were meeting with those people,” Matas says. “We’re not super-secretive, but you can’t find information on the Internet or in any public place about who we’re meeting with, where and when.” He himself has received at least 10 e-mails from Liu, all of which he’s ignored. Maybe Matas is onto something with that approach.

    Colour Photo: CP, Dave Cahn; David Kilgour (left) and David Matas, co-authors of a report on China’s organ harvesting industry: How does Liu know who they’re meeting with?

    LOAD-DATE: March 29, 2007

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